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Vballspieler 07-07-2020 07:47 PM

Re: Current Events

Originally Posted by John Pickard (Post 28937)
And yes, I live up to my reputation as a thread-killer.

No, you don't. We'll come back and debate..... speaking of which, I have missed a lot.

Where to start? If you are going to get rid of the Democratic party, please get rid of the Republican party, too, and start over....

I agree about ending Affirmative Action. The problem is that some people only hire males and Affirmative Action was the only way to force them to diversify their workforce. If we could hire on ability only, life would be better. Being excluded just because you are female, royally sucks.

I grew up in a community where there was no diversity. I would like to think I am not racist, but I am very cautious these days..... of everyone. You never know what someone will accuse you of. I do know that I would never take my non-white friends to my house....not because of them, but because of the opinion of my father. He grew up in the same all white community. He even thought more of the boys than the girls. It's not only POC that have faced prejudice. Changing your circumstances is hard. Not being judged for what your parents did or did not do is also hard. It's not always about the color of your skin.... or your religion.... or whatever else we get judged on. If you are not of middle class in a highly respected job, you do get looked down on. Worth less than someone else.

I watch many news programs and news feeds lately. I try to balance out the slants of the news I am getting. I do agree that this being an election year is making the George Floyd posts more news worthy. How many others are now included in the protests that hadn't died this year? Yes, change needs to happen. Reallocating some funds makes sense. We are asking a lot of our police officers.... and by blaming the whole police force or whole departments is not fair to them. As was pointed out, most of them are good and want to dedicate their lives to helping others. By defunding them and all the media comments against them are making it harder for those who are good to do their jobs. I get why many are retiring or finding other opportunities. We need to improve the police. There are many issues that may be more specialized than what the police were designed for. They are still there trying to help...and ALL LIVES MATTER. It doesn't matter what color of skin you have.

If we only do statues of those people who are perfect, we will never have a statue. A more comprehensive teaching needs to be done... slavery was wrong, but women were also thought of as property. Meant to be kept "barefoot and pregnant" and double-standards are still alive. Males are labeled as "players" and "studs" and females are "sluts" and "bitches".

Sitting across from East Germans while riding a train taught me a lot about how arrogant Americans can be. Somehow, we became the strongest and best at everything... and I know, that's a little ambiguous, but being the foreigner in a country where I was hated really opened my eyes...and I didn't do anything. Had my family never crossed the Atlantic, that would have been my hometown....

Have I covered enough topics... I feel very sad for the country. I wish the pandemic was over and I could go see my friends and family. I wish we could make the world better for everyone. I wish the shootings, riots, and looting would stop. I wish everyone was perfect and we lived in a perfect world.

Flygirl 07-08-2020 05:38 AM

Re: Current Events
VBS, I can't disagree with what you've said here. Well, except the part about getting rid of Republicans... But if you provide a number of other options to the two party system I'm all for it.

It's funny you mention bringing home friends to your father. I dated a black guy for a while when I was a teenager. At first it was because he was awesome and he was in the USAF - but then I kept seeing him after I realized we weren't really compatible. Afterwards he admitted he knew part of it was wanting to annoy my mother. Turns out he was using me for the same exact reason! Parents be crazy... We're still friends to this day too (even though he's a Democrat politician! ;))

Wrt the impressions of foreign citizens, I agree Americans are a bit arrogant. I also believe we're the greatest country in history and it's not a position for which I'm willing to apologize. I think Americans are incredibly na´ve to think our problems are so terrible... Other countries have much bigger concerns, and that's a whopping understatement. More Americans should travel around the world for some perspective. Especially the hopelessly sanctimonious who weep for and denigrate America, and look at patriotism with disdain (usually young people but often older people who've just not had the experience to know better.) #firstworldproblems, indeed. Other countries view our media and hear the pathetic cries for attention and they start to believe there's really something wrong with us.

A friend wrote this today and I just had to share. Tell me if this resonates with you as much as it does with me:


Racism exists of course, but these new “woke” contradictories just completely destroy our ability to tackle these things logically.

It’s problematic for a white person to discuss racism, but it’s also bad to stay silent.

It’s bad to move into a “black neighbourhood” and build a life there, but it’s also wrong to leave if things get tough.

It’s wrong to “not see colour” and judge people on their characters, but it’s also an issue if you do mention race.

At some point we have to admit that this is a lose-lose situation and perhaps the only way to “win” the game is to simply not play. Until the political climate changes and actually allows reasonable discourse I see no respite from the madness we are living in. Until we are all allowed to have a voice in these issues there will be no unity.
And this person is not from America, either. The same social identity -based crap exists everywhere.

Flygirl 07-08-2020 05:42 AM

Re: Current Events
By the way, who's voting Kanye West 2020?

Vballspieler 07-08-2020 07:33 PM

Re: Current Events
That quote does resonate with me. It feels very often like you are in a no win situation.

And I still stand by getting rid of Republicans if you are getting rid of Democrats. There are enough topics that I disagree with them on that having them as the only party would not be good for me.

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